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Always beware of the newbie-counsellor. I see this problem WAY TOO MUCH. Basically speaking, a person who has been studying spellcraft for less than a year (often less than six months, and even less than 2 months,) decides he or she is now capable of instructing others, having cast like…oh, 4 spells or something. 😉 Unfortunately some of these folks come of as authortative when they speak or write, and even more unfortunately, while their intentions are good, what they may be doing is actually MISINFORMING others, or MISINSTRUCTING others due to being relatively ignorant about spellcraft. 😛 So, if you have reason to question the length of time someone has been practicing or studying even though that person is trying to instruct you, you should probably get a second opinion (before you hurt yourself or others by mistake.) 😉

As for “Newbies” who give their advice. While what you are doing is well-meant, keep in mind that you are still a beginner. While your input could be very helpful, when you speak authoritatively, others who are just as newbish as yourself will find themselves thinking you are far more experienced than you are – which could be problematic if you misinstruct them or leave something important out, therefore possibly creating a larger mess. Instead of offering help like you’re an authority on a topic you just got introduced to, you might say “Hey, I’m just starting out, but a little more experienced than you are, and…” then adding your advice.

Why do I ask you to do this? I’m tired of cleaning up messes made by well-intentioned newbs who, not even yet practicing spellcraft for six months, have mislead others (without meaning to,) and when these others were sent to me when problems arose (there is actually more than one of you, but a particular one person in this case,) these persons were quite vexed to realize the person who had initially instructed them started learning spellcraft this fall. :S

Personally, I’d say give yourself a year of practice at least before you think yourself ready to advise anyone. Its fine to be a newb (ie a newbie,) but its wholly different to be a NOOB which no one likes (a “noob” being the people who think they mastered spellcraft because they read a book once and cast a spell before.)

So, if someone on a message board is giving you advice, do try to keep in mind that this person could be just as green with spellcraft as you are. I’ve been practicing spellcraft for over 2 decades, and as memory serves, when I first started out, I was better than some of the newbies out there now, (and probably not as good as some newbs of today,) and still, I’d not have told myself to advise anyone (of course being a child at the time I started probably would have thankfully made others not listen to a freaking word come out of my mouth on the topic, hahahaha.)

****UPDATED TO ADD: A few of you wanted to know what specifically was the cause of this post. 😉 Apart from the fact that I really think it makes an ass out of someone who has practically no experience with spellcasting (sorry, casting a few spells doesn’t make you uber experienced) to give out advice like an old pro… What happened was that someone got the brilliant idea to start giving out advice on how to raise spirits (of an infernal type,) when they had never raised a spirit (they claimed a singular Intranquil Spirit spell as “experience,”) and commenced to give the WORST advice on raising (very infernal) spirits I have ever had the misfortune to read. More or less, they wholly forgot to mention the dismissal of the spirit…so, the advised someone to open a portal, and let all sorts of bad things in, and never ever mentioned closing that door or asking the spirit(s) which entered to go back from whence they came. Soooo…someone came to your old friend Cat and was like “This person claims to know you and says you’d have an idea of how to make this spirit stop attacking me and growling at me,” and I was like “Who said this to you? Oh dear, that person cast their first spell in November – I know this because I helped them with it.” So…yep, that’s the background there.

Pearl of Wisdom Summarized: Beware of random people giving advice because they may not know enough to advise you…and if you’re a newbie, think twice before you give your advice.

10 responses

  1. Dom P. Avatar
    Dom P.

    GEEEEZZZ. I usually go by one rule of thumb that’s always held me in good stead:
    “Never, EVER, give advice on something unless you’ve done it yourself, to as close to perfection as you can get.”
    I’ve been cleaning homes, and banishing ghosts and spirits for others since I was small, but I never give advice on how to do it, just how to protect yourself from it. I don’t really KNOW how I do it. (Oh, there’s the standard methods, cleansing, blessing, smudging…) But the few really tough ones, where they fought back, I just got mad and told them to GO NOW!, and they did. I guess it’s just something about me.
    I would think this a good warning to all new practitioners. Always make sure you’re protection is in place before starting a spell, and always, always, learn how to get rid of something you’re calling BEFORE you call it!

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  2. Joanna H. Avatar
    Joanna H.

    Holy Moly! I was trying to think back on whether or not I was acting like a know it all recently, but when you mentioned the summoning of hellz bellz, i think my mouth dropped open. Although its irresponsible to tell someone how to do that via messageboard with no experience- if i wanted to do it myself i would make sure i sought out an experienced mage with a strong reputation before trying that. that’s like going for a ph/D without finishing high school first (since wingnut started 2 months ago). hope it all worked out, but that was scary and irresponsible of both of the parties.

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  3. Cat Avatar

    In this case, it was painfully obvious that what happened was wrong, and that the person offering help was out of place, however its not uncommon for eager and self-confident newbies to offer “help” that ends up not being so helpful.

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  4. bosco Avatar
    bosco

    Gee, you know what? I kind of offered similar advice to someone I really, really didn’t like. (Only maybe a little worse, since I told them to draw the spirits into their third eye, and try to keep them trapped there by force of will.) Oops. I am not going to heavan am I? “For comedy purposes” isn’t a valid excuse is it?

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  5. HP Bryce Avatar

    I so understand this situation. Too bad their actions reflect badly on those of us who know what we are doing. And I will add I would never try to call an infernal spirit!

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  6. Maggie D Avatar
    Maggie D

    I’ve been casting, learning and such since 2007. WTF do I still feel like a newb at this? LOL

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  7. Cat Avatar

    It’s a lot to learn – I think that a lot of people are still feeling like newbs at year three.

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  8. Perazada Avatar
    Perazada

    I’m at year 11 and there are still times I’m sitting there feeling like a newb. I think if you feel like an expert all the time it means you stop trying to learn and if you stop learning you stop being an expert if that circle logic makes sense.

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  9. Cat Avatar

    I agree – I’m at year 20 or so by now, and there are still times (albeit far less often than even 10 years ago,) when I’m scratching my head and feeling newbish. I always strive to improve on what I know – there is always room for all of us to improve. 😉
    Still, there’s a huge difference between the person who’s been spellcasting for maybe 6 months handing out advice like an old pro, and say, you, Perazada, handing out advice. I’d rather, were I a newbie again, have your advice than to get it from someone almost as new to spellcasting as I would be if I was a newb. 😉 My words here are just to caution people because a lot of the STUPID (and painfully stupid) advice I see handed out comes from other newbies who have charisma and an air of authority, and it often revolves around types of spells which may be dangerous if not practiced properly. I don’t think people shouldn’t advise others, but it would really save some hurt and heartache if a few of these “Newbie expert advisors” just told the other newbies that they were pretty new to spellcasting themselves.

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  10. Perazada Avatar
    Perazada

    Yeah, I got yeah, I was responding to the person who felt they were still newbish after a few years. I guess it was a, it’s ok to feel newbish regardless of how seasoned you are.

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